I still use 'em, WOM.  Along with Hyperdesk on XP. IconX as well. And Right Click! 

Child of the sixties.  Civil disobedience. 

 

["diligently unchecks....."]

 

Copied/pasted yours to save time. 

@ Jafo try out bootracer
http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/index.html

it even logs the time after you see the desktop ... even if windows8 is faking an early ready system - there is no way it will take longer than 1-2 second with the pci-e ssd i mentioned (there is no program that would take that much time to be ready for use) with a normal ssd ok but not with that card.


 

Apart from the real fact that boot times don't matter diddly-squat in a person's life in front of a computer...no matter when the desktop looks loaded or not...or at what stage of its load you see such creatures as Fences in that load...if you are talking about how long a program takes to load AFTER any/all booting is done...there certainly ARE programs that take longer than 1 or 2 seconds....try FSX for size.  Typical time to selection screen [not actually in-game yet] about 30 to a minute.  Select an aircraft ....perhaps 10 seconds....load....another 20 for scenery/time/etc.

Not 1 or 2 seconds....more like 1 or 2 minutes.

SSD...12 gig of triple channel...i7 920 ...GTX590.....

Results will vary....

I also use them... though I mostly went the Yahoo widget way for Steampunk themed stuff I couldn't get anywhere else.

As for the last thing to become active when my rig is booted up, well that'd be me.... but I was told that'd happen as I got older.

So why I have a Win 8.1 rig that boots in around 6 - 7 seconds with UEFI Ultra Fast Boot enabled, well it beats me.. not like the old days... don't even have time fer a pee once I push the button anymore, much less make a cuppa; make some toast, bacon and eggs; go fetch in the mail and ogle at the nice young lass sunbaking with not alot on next door [damn having to move away from there].

Yes, a couple of my early rigs took that long to boot up.

 

Starkers, I didn't count myself, just took it for granted that was a given.  I'am no good till after my second cup of coffee, just ask Hank.

My yahoo widgets include the clock, weather, nu jongg, cpu's, ram and HD.  Sure wish they hadn't stopped supporting them but sure glad I'd saved the engine and apps.

It takes me waaaa-aay longer than that before I'm semi-functional.... at leat a half dozen cuppas and about 3 trips to the toilet per cup.

You notice that as well... that the plumbing ain't what it used to be? 

Yes, I too am glad I kept my widgets and engine, but then I keep alot of programs/installers for just in case.

Well i agree if you run a normal SSD with about 400MB/s
But i didn´t do that i was talking about 5x the speed of that
i know that programs still load after you see the desktop but they do this on both win7 and win8.
 
It only appears to be longer on windows8 not because Microsoft decided to (as you say fake an early boot),
instead it is because they added an extra 8 seconds delay  on windows8 and windows8.1 before programs start to be loaded/launched.
Because they thought they better give the live tiles a chance to load before that.
Why? Because the user was catapulted to the Metro screen instead of the desktop on win8
But if one tweaked/tweaks his registry, windows8 and 8.1 will start loading the progs/apps instantly. 

So the only fake, one can refer to would be hybrid boot but that isn’t even a fake it is just… smart.

Ok to FSX:
Well since FSX is a Simulator/game not an app, we talk about two different things here. Im sure the normal user does not have a 40-90GB game in his/her Autostart)
I was talking about programs such as ZB, PS, Paint, Skype, AV, AM, Rapid Storage Tech, WB, FENCES , MM..and so on The biggest in this list is Photoshop with ca. 900MB (I do not have that in my Autostart) but this would be one of the biggest progs to be loaded.
While the PCI-e SSD is capable of 2000MB/s reads, so after a second there is nothing to be loaded anymore that is in that list above.
But my previous post was about Fences… and your comment that you blames the fake windows8 start on the problem that fences isn’t loaded. ( copy and paste)
And i was and still am referring to the matter that Fences should be up and running after a second but it can’t if there is an external drive USB3.0 , and since nothing is done about that _ it needed to go.
Fences needs tweaking to be able to separate and display already loaded vs currently unavailable shortcuts.

Think it is funny that we need to blame the OS if the problem is on the app.
Overprotecting apps even if they are Stardock products isn’t good.
I think its right to point out issues so that they can be made better in future, instead of blaming something that has nothing to do with the problem of the actual app and standing still.

Windows10 will also have hybrid boot will we blame it for the same thing aswell?

My FSX is around 200gig installed.  It's not a toy.  I have one aircraft that is 60gig [vers/paints/revisions]

You clearly miss the point even though you refer to it.  The 'faking' is the 'completed' desktop showing BEFORE all services are loaded to actually have it FUNCTION.

WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE WAIT FOR FENCES TO DISPLAY THE ICONS IS THE TIMING OF THE TRUE END OF THE BOOT PROCESS.

 

None of this is relevant to what HD you use.

The boot sequence is the same, whatever the drive it's on.

Please stop referring to 'Hybrid boot'....it is NOT relevant either.

Services loading changed between 8 [10] and all OS vers prior.   THAT is the SOLE REASON for the false assertion that 'Fences slowed my boot time'.

Nothing else.

The problem IS the OS, not the app.  That is the point.

 

Dopey analogy.

I can put my socks on really quickly.....but if I put shoes on too it takes longer.  Damn it....shoe manufacturers NEED TO make a way to put the shoes on concurrently with the socks...or even maybe provide a way to put the socks on AFTER the shoes....provided the socks don't then take longer.....cos having to wait for the socks to go on and only then put on the shoes is just bad design...and is simply the shoe maker's fault

Yes, it would be...but it isn't.

If the OS is still loading services NEEDED by the app the app will not run.   Too many people [or at least one here] cannot differentiate between an OS shell-integrated add-on and a free-standing executable such as Photoshop [your example].

If YOU PERSONALLY have a delay [with Fences loading]  because a USB 3 external drive has not initialized and been connected/logged/whatever by your OS Kernel....then you need to blame the OS kernel for not seeking/initializing external drives FIRST...or SOONER.

And that isn't a Fences issue at all.

 

I already told you win7 and win8 do not behave different, as soon as you see the desktop both still load services.
THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING or would you say WIN7 has completed everything when you see the desktop? 
SO what you are trying to tell me is that win8 and windows7 both fake an early ready system?
Well Yes they do!

"The boot sequence is the same, whatever the drive it's on."
yeah sure, still this drive will only take 1 second to load up everything that is installed on this drive.
Only the USB is still working after that. And that is part fault of the OS be it 7 or 8.


Correct im to dumb for that, i think most of us would look like we are, if you select only one app that was mentioned from the list provided but naming Flight Simulator Ten yourself.

I suggested that you try BOOTRACER, don’t know if you have done that. 
Maybe you don’t want to.
Let me explain how it works
Bootracer will log the time after the splash screen is done initializing hardware. It will then start the timer and log how long it takes to load windows, once you reach the password screen it stops the timer, after entering the password if you have one it will continue the desktop timer and will then stop  once everything is loaded. once it is done nothing is loading anymore 

This means that I have might understood that windows is still loading services once I see the desktop but as I said there is nothing more to load on that drive after 1-2 seconds.

If Bootracer is done-. EVERYTHING even my externals are up and loaded - still Fences will require a right click to show up.

Strange why is BOOTRACER then finished and i still can’t see no fence ? Yeah bc it will now require the famous right click

My question is IF THIS ISNT an ISSUE with FENCES and it would only affect me why are there more posts about this issue?
MHH something isn’t working as it should be, while everything is loaded, still folks need to make a right click to make use of their invisible icons because the program is unable of doing what it should actually do, display icons and sort them.
Even if you have a external drive hooked. WITHOUT being forced to right click.


You wrote this yourself above  
AND THERE EXACTLY THERE IS THE PROBLEM IAM TALKING ABOUT!
WHY CANT IT DISPLAY WHAT IS ALREADY LOADED?
+ EVEN AFTER EVERYTHING IS LOADED it will require a right click. EVEN TOUGH BOOTRACER IS FINISHED! ALL Programs are open yet Fences requires a rightclick before that it will not display.


1. Without Fences Bootracer finishes and all my ICONS are displayed.
2. Without Fences and bootracer still running i can already click on programs that i want to use even on shortcuts to progs that placed on the external.

PS: Did I saysay it slows my boot time? i just say it makes me wait and do extra work to have use of it.
Also i know how long it takes to put on socks and shoes im also aware that the system will require some extra time to load fences since its an additional program.
Yet it is installed on the master drive and only needs additional info from my external.
I could explain it this way
Don´t know if you have trouser holders, but you can attach those to your pants before you actually wear a shirt and can simply flip them over once the shirt is on.
Yet one can use them without the shirt.
Why can’t fences do the same?

 

I suggest if you have any concerns about anything regarding Stardock products you contact -

 

https://esupport.stardock.com/index.php?/Tickets/Submit

ty Hankers i did that a while ago...
But as you can see i raise my digital voice since it still does behave the same way as it did. 
Im not here to say that the product is broken, it works after the right click still it  could be better.
As we all know i like Stardock products if i wouldn’t do i would not have extended my subscription.
I just can’t go and tell folks how great this app is and then show them the system start. 
And tell them at this point you will have to make a right click or wait a little longer to use your icons.
As cool as the fences is, this will break their Interest.

While i know that discussing fences isnt part of this very topic yet it was mentioned and the cause should be obviously the OS,
i simply cant agree with that so i think it just a normal discussion that ended up wrong.
However im willing to stick to the actual topic WIN10TP and thoughts about it.

To OP - do you have some benchmarks to support your impressions?

 

There are many tricks to give the impression of speed, like Superfetch.