Nope, the only idiots are folks like myself clicking on this thread to read it. 

Life is so boring when you get old you reach out to anything that you thing might add a little spark to it. 

Guys they're just operating systems.  If it runs on your box and runs what you want to run and gets the job done, all is good.

 

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. While most of the under the hood improvements you mention mean very little to me, I have no doubt that they are significant improvements to some who depend on them. For my money though, the biggest single improvement I have found that you can add to ANY rig would have to be an SSD.  Forget a new OS, forget more RAM, forget a bigger HDD. Go solid state and don't look back! Thanks for the only objective, rational pro-Win8 reply so far. That I certainly respect.

No, not at all. Your likes and or needs can and often will be different than others. That doesn't make you an idiot but it also doesn't make those that disagree with you morons, uneducated, dinosaurs or sheep. If that is all you have to contribute, however, I see little added knowledge fron your participation. So as starkers has said....if the shoe fits.

If it trips your trigger, fine. If the improvements/changes mean something to you, great. If you feel like you got your money's worth...wonderful. However, if you don't like all the bad press, poor reactions from the buying public at large and comments and opinions of those who think it is just plain poor design choice, much ado about nothing, or see no need to replace a perfectly fine OS, which Win 7 is....GET OVER IT.

 

Drats! Double posted.

I think we need to take a step back here...this thread was pretty civil until a poor bloke posted that he didn't like W8 because you couldn't have multiple programs open at once...

I (and others) civilly corrected him...he wasn't here to antagonize, he simply stated what he legitimately thought was true (and if it was, well it would be a damn good criticism of W8)...

His comment got some (including myself) to state that W8 has suffered from fallacious or misleading critics...when someone says they don't want W8 because of a misunderstood "fact", that is a clear sign that actual deficiencies of W8 are not the only problems hindering its sales....multiple critics of W8 have used false or misleading claims to cast down W8 for a very long period of time...

So, when someone says that much criticism in regards to W8 is unfounded, it isn't a case of arrogance or looking down on others opinions, it's a case of distinguishing fact from fiction....

Now, it is true that some of the criticism for W8 is justified...some people have really tried the start screen, have actually taken the time to learn W8, and still prefer the start menu....I've heard very good, solid reasons such as the inability to view an open file and the start screen simultaneously on one screen, or the inability to easily determine if an app is still running or not....the sluggishness and inefficiency of the task manager has also been brought up (and rightly so)...

Instead of throwing feces at each other, I think some history on how this thread evolved is important...the W8 advocates did not start out slamming "critics" simply because they were critics, they started out correcting misconceptions in regards to the OS...it doesn't automatically mean all criticism is void, but it certainly doesn't make W8 advocates asshats for recognizing a core reason for W8's failure that has nothing to do with the functionality of the OS or GUI..

Amen.

 

I have Windows 8. I don't hate it. I also don't love it. I "play" with it only because I got it for $14.99...it's almost worth that amount.

I have a very speedy system sporting two EVGA GTX 650 gfx cards, 4 monitors, 16 GB of DDR3 ram, a 6 core CPU, and a fairly good mobo sporting 2 SSDs. Windows 8 performs only slightly better for me than does 7. But without Stardock apps, I find 8 to be butt ugly and convoluted, unintuitive, and definitely NOT better than 7 overall. In a dual boot situation, 8 causes an extra reboot to switch between OSes (which kinda negates the fast boot of an SSD).

I read about Windows 8 being more secure.  I haven't been suffering any security problems with 7. 

I seldom have problems with 7 that are due to the OS itself. I can't say that about 8.  I do see some small improvements with 8, like the ability to optimize an SSD natively, and native ISO support, and even multi monitor support. But nothing that'll make me give up 7 by any stretch of the imagination. Also, in my experience, 8 NEEDS several 3rd party apps to make it tolerable to use.

I will be using Windows 7 for a long time to come. That's my choice.

 

That said, I have, and will, avoid this thread simply because of the fact that I am not a moron, sheep, idiot, or any other label you might put on a person/group. I reserve that label for the multitude of those who haven't used/tried 8 and are simply repeating things they've read or heard.

 

I get so tired of the kind of thread when this kind of attitude takes over. "I'm right, you're wrong, and you're an idiot for not seeing it."

 

We are all different, with differing needs, likes, hates. peeves, opinions, etc...

 

Peace..out.

 

 

I take it then that the 'fact' is criticism of 8 is unfounded.

Good, as long as we're clear on that.

So, when 8.1 is released...with a remergence of a 'traditional' start button interface - indicating MS has understood 'evolutionary' works and 'revolutionary' clearly does not - they do so because the criticism is unfounded.

The very real popularity of Start8 is purely accidental and coincidental and has exactly nothing to do with the truth that criticism of 8 is unfounded.

It is not whether an OS Kernel is solid or bullet proof that makes it a success [though it does help]....it's POPULAR OPINION that does that.

It's called a 'concensus'.

Microsoft has now discovered...if you mess with the mechanics of an interface and impose change you can and will alienate your user.

 

Let's leave all the chest-beating until 8.1 /blue /whatever is released.

If it's more of the same...Metro-not-Window ...then fine.  It's phone interface uber alles.

If it's a half-baked return to 'normal' historical Window interface then it's clearly a case of Microsoft NOT herding the 'sheep' quite so forcefully.

If there's also been some shuffling of MS GUI dev team personnel that's obviously coincidental and has nothing to do with sheep herding.

 

This intention to fast-track updates to the OS should have been handles entirely differently.  8 should have been a new kernel version of 7 with the odd cosmetic reference to phone interfacing...and on each successive point release it SLOWLY TRANSITIONED to the pure bull-shit version it currently is....giving people enough time to see the changes as EVOLUTIONARY .... and not stupefy them into disgust.

NONE of this is about looks/appearance/how pretty.  It is meaningless whether there is transparency or not...or any such BLING.  It is ENTIRELY about the human-to-computer/OS interaction - and it is entirely undeniable MS GOT THAT WRONG .... particularly in methodology of introduction.

 

Yes, I know.  An intelligent person can 'work it out' and even get 8 to behave almost as acceptably as 7.  If one spends long enough 8 is nothing more than a 'new language' when it comes to GUI interaction...and anyone can learn a new language.... so that's not an issue at all.

...unless you realise Microsoft has been teaching you one language FOR DECADES ...and even the less-than-intelligent can manage to grunt passably in it....but then said 'no....we're gonna learn you a new one - because it's understood in other countries you aren't interested in visiting'.

No, that is not what I said....I will quote my (unedited) statement...

I did not say all criticism, and I even acknowledged very specific and well justified criticisms...

I have multiple times reiterated the same stance, that some criticism of W8 is very well justified or a respectable difference of opinion....I have also stated multiple times that some or much or many criticism(s) of W8 are not justified because they are based on misconceptions (can't have multiple programs open, can't have desktop shortcuts, have to have touch screen, etc.)...

I would appreciate if you do not change or twist what I am saying....

 

 

 

I didn't say 'all' either.

Nothing was 'changed or twisted'.

Perhaps you need to not 'change or twist'....

Not directing this to anyone specific, but I read and re-read Jafo's statement. He didn't say, nor did he imply "all", so let it go.

 

Sheesh, guys. It's really only an OS with a crappy GUI... not the nuclear codes, a cure for cancer, peace in the middle east nor the second coming.

Do we all really need to get so heated about it all?

MS/Apple/Google, et. al. couldn't care less what we're saying, nor fighting about. Nothing here is anywhere close to be worth harming the spirit of this community to which we all belong. No one's going to convince anyone of anything, really. Right?

So ease up, please. No one's feelings are worth any of this fraking nonsense. When you learn you've hurt someone, you don't feel good about it, do you?

 

Sometimes Being a friend is more important than being "right".

 

"I've  learned that people will forget what you said,

people will forget what you did, 

but people will never forget how you made them feel."

- Maya Angelou

 

This is an unambiguous statement with no conditional...it implies any and all criticism is wrongheaded and follows the whole "anyone who criticizes W8 just [insert favorite insult here]"...I certainly would agree with Jafo (and others) that there is a clear problem with that stance....

This statement has a conditional...it indicates that some (with a bias towards most) criticism is unfounded, and therefore acknowledges not all criticism is a problem....there is a huge difference between what I'm saying and what Jafo is interpreting....

 

 

Oh, let's all dive into semantics, shall we?

implies...infers...could mean...might be...am guessing....perhaps.....

If you spend your life reading between the lines you will miss life's story.

It is clear you have no idea as to what I am or am not 'interpreting'...

...simply because you have clearly missed the point due to your slip between the lines...

What's that sayin.... "When you assume...."?

Jafo, worry about game balance, then post about win8 balancing.  

you ppl make se sick they have made some very EPIC innovations with windows 8 and just because a MINORITY dont like it because its not plain anf boring you slag it off.

 

HOW ABOUT THIS _ DONT FUCKING BUY IT!!! - IF YOU DONT FUCKING LIKE IT DONT JUST SLAG IT OFF!!!!!!

FractalFragger.... there is nothing 'epic' about Windows 8.  In fact I doubt anyone who has responded to this thread considers 8 to be at all 'epic', other than the OP's title reference to its degree of 'fail'.

All that aside I'd suggest you temper your future responses/contributions, particularly if you wish to continue to interact on these forums for a second 10 minutes...

 

Yes, I'm vocal about 8's failings...or rather MS's poor choice of 'direction', however I DID resubscribe to Technet just so I could continue to assess the Windows OS both now and in the future...and on more than one 'system'.